Many of you met Seth when he told you to be a purple cow. Some of you met him when you fell upon his blog, one of the world’s favorites. The luckiest of you met him in person, either at TED, Google, or one of the other holy places where smart people give speeches. Point being: You know who Seth Godin is, but you might not know him like this.

Joshspear.com: Alright, Seth, let’s take it from the top: Give us a brief rundown on you, or maybe just you in the last year — whatever you can smash in one paragraph.

Seth Godin: Being lucky and showing up in the right place are underrated. I’ve been an entrepreneur since I was 15, ran a large business on campus in college, got online in 1976, then seriously in 1988. Started my first VC funded company in 1993, sold it to Yahoo in 1998, when I started writing books about business and marketing and how ideas spread. Since then, I’ve published ten books that have been bestsellers. The latest one is called Tribes and it came out this week. I write about ideas worth spreading on the blog I started about a thousand years ago: sethgodin.typepad.com. They tell me it’s one of the most popular solo blogs in the world. And, in my spare time, I started Squidoo.com, a free website that has generated hundreds of thousands of dollars for charity since we started it. Go ahead, give it a try…

JS: Oh, it is the top marketing blog. I run another site that’s on that list… I think we’re around 565th. You win. Anyway, let’s talk blogs. Talk about the way yours has contributed to your individual brand, and why that’s so important.

SG: The best measure of a blog is not how many people it reaches, it’s how much it changes what you do. Changes your posture, your writing, your transparency, your humility. What blogging has done for me is made me think. I get to think about how the outside world will understand something I’m trying to do, for example.

This means, of course, that you get almost all of the goodness of a blog long before you have a lot of readers.

JS: You have a new book, and you’re selling it for 95 cents on iTunes. Nothing is 95 cents anymore… so why is your book?

SG: Books cost $20 because you need to chop down trees, print on paper, ship the books to stores, hold the inventory, ship to consumers and take back any unsold copies. ebooks and audiobooks have none of those costs, not one. So why charge $20. I’m not in charge of the pricing of my books, but I applaud Audible for giving people one less reason not to listen to good stuff.

JS: The fact that you always have something new to say about marketing must rely on the fact that today’s marketing approaches must constantly be updated. What do you think have been some of the most significant updates of 2008?

SG: Clearly, we’re seeing a stampede by traditional marketers into online ads and social media. They’re starting to figure out how text ads work, but have no clue at all about the role of corporations in social media. Here’s a hint: You don’t get to ask, “How can we use this to grow?” It’s not yours to use. It belongs to the people who are in it, not to greedy marketers who believe they have a right to ride along. The opportunity is to have a tribe, a group of followers, loyal people who are connected to each other and to a movement.

JS: It’s not easy to convince CEOs that in today’s world marketing messages aren’t so much statements as they are responses. In fact, most of them still like to think that the majority of consumers to are too stupid to be trusted with the guidance and development of a brand. How do you convince them otherwise?

SG: Trying to convince a CEO of anything is a little like trying to convince a cop not to give you a ticket. It’s possible, but rarely worth the effort, given the odds.

Instead, just do it. Go fast, get where you’re going. The odds of getting stopped are small, the price of the ticket is small and if you’re doing the right thing in the first place, it’s worth it.

JS: You’ve written a zillion books, blog posts, and content consumed by many for a very long time. You’re constantly a thought leader. My question is: Have you ever contradicted yourself, and if so, how?  Did you say something would be huge a few years ago, and realize you were wrong?  With as many bold (and great) statements we’ve heard you say, some must not have been spot on …?

SG: I’m wrong a lot, but I’m usually just early. I was most wrong about the World Wide Web. I thought it didn’t have a chance against AOL. I was an idiot.

I was early in predicting the demise of the all-purpose banner ad, but I was right.

I try not to keep too close a track on this, because the goal of predicting stuff isn’t to be right, it’s to make a point and to make us think.

JS: Do you think it’s working — as in, you talk about this great change and innovation and have done so for a long time, are you seeing it take hold?

SG: I don’t think I CAUSE the stuff to happen, but there’s no doubt that it is happening. The world ten years ago was so different from today in terms of consumer power and the way ideas spread. It’s hard to imagine the difference.

JS: OK, let’s talk life and death. In your opinion, what’s today’s best way for a brand to commit suicide, and alternately, to thrive?

SG: You kill your brand when you treat prospects like objects or victims. You kill your brand when you are selfish. When you lie. When you spam. When you sacrifice user benefits for short term profits.

You thrive when you do the opposite of that!

JS: If you were forming a new brand, and were given only three elements to aid in its long-term success, what would they be?

SG: A story that people dream about. A story that people can’t help but spread. Benefits that gain in value as more people adopt the product or service.

JS: Do you think you’ll ever write an un-marketing book, like a novel or a memoir?

SG: Well, my latest, Tribes, sure doesn’t seem like a marketing book. But a novel? I don’t think I’m devious enough.

JS: So, if you had a child, and he was about to embark on his/her first adventure in the digital frontier, what would your parting words be?

SG: Start.


Devin Reams Friday, 10.24.08 @ 5:23 pm

Great interview, nice work, Carmel.


Torley Friday, 10.24.08 @ 6:07 pm

Fun, crisp interview. Thanks for sharing this, Josh — I just caught the link on Seth’s blog.

Seth’s sentences hardly have any superfluous words and they’re Zen-like. He’s nearly bald too, which helps with the monkish composure.

I hope Amazon.com gets rid of Audible’s DRM tho, I wanted to listen to the free Tribes audio book but my Nokia N800 isn’t supported by their clunky transport software. MP3s simply work.

LOL @ “novel”, I’m still waiting for the Doctorow-Godin collab. ;D


Joel D Canfield Friday, 10.24.08 @ 6:30 pm

“Start.”

Strunk is proud. And my dad didn’t give me that advice 30 years ago, so I came to entrepreneurship 20 years later than I should have.

Start. Now.

(Although, I’ve written novels, and I don’t *feel* devious. They’re even mysteries, yet, I still don’t feel devious.)


Digital Photo Calendar Guy Friday, 10.24.08 @ 6:34 pm

That last word by Seth sums it up. If he or she is like a portion of this young 21st century generation, they would master the Internet and easily make good money online. This is really their time to do big things on the digital frontier.


Patrick Friday, 10.24.08 @ 6:57 pm

Awesome interview, I appreciate anything I can read from Seth. To me, marketing is as exciting now as it has ever been. It’s so neat to watch things change over time. Seth always nails it, too….the guy is just being modest!


Mr. Brucas Lice Friday, 10.24.08 @ 7:31 pm

It’s ironic that Seth Godin uses the word “humility.” I respect Seth’s work but I have noticed a lack of humility in some of his posts. I realize that a successful blogger needs to have an attitude (for lack of a better word), but a little humility goes a long way.


Andy Friday, 10.24.08 @ 8:01 pm

Awesome, awesome, awesome!

Thank you so much for making blogging and marketing simple AND thought-provoking. This brief interview has so much depth I will be returning to it multiple times along with your blog.

Thank you VERY much!

Andy
andy@soccerhistorynow.com
http://www.soccerhistorynow.com


Josh Spear Friday, 10.24.08 @ 8:50 pm

Such a good interview. Great work Carmel…


David Friday, 10.24.08 @ 8:53 pm

As always Seth shares the wisdom and simplicity that just makes sense. I had the opportunity to hear Seth speak a couple of years ago in Anaheim, CA. His passion infused energy heightened my passion and vigor to launch my vision of bringing a return to natural ‘barefoot-like’ running through real & honest footwear. Skora footwear (www.skorashop.com) will launch next year and in the interim http://www.barefootrunner.com is my blog that leading a new tribe and actually listening. Thanks Seth!


Kurt Evans Friday, 10.24.08 @ 9:19 pm

Great interview. I think Seth Godin has some great insights that we can all learn from.


Robyn Boyer Friday, 10.24.08 @ 10:09 pm

Authenticity otaku. Nice. Thank you, Seth.


CoCreatr Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 3:24 am

Sethy terseness.

Godin is a trendspotter otaku (オタク).

Love it. Thank you.


k Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 3:27 am

Good interview. I bought the book on Audible 10 minutes ago.
I bought Seth’s Meatball Sundae as well and I highly recommend it.
Seth gives you real life ‘case studies’, new ideas and he makes you think. Thank you Seth.


Stephen P Francis Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 4:19 am

Lovely! Anything to do with Seth Godin normally gets the thoughts running through heads I think - I especially liked the “don’t bother” comment on trying to convince CEOs about anything - I should know as it’s part and parcel of my job! Keep it up and keep it coming …

Thanks!


ac Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 6:05 am

Ms. Hagen,

This was redemptive. Next on tap: Joel Pott.

-Andy


Bernard Dahl Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 7:28 am

It’s worth pointing out that the questions are just as good as the answers, which is commendable.

Thank you for a very interesting interview.

Bernard Dahl


steve gumm Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 7:52 am

Great interview Josh. Keep thinking, innovating and creating……and putting traditional thought on it’s head. No one does this better than Godin.


Peter Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 8:33 am

amazing stuff! looking forward to more great interviews


Dan Gould Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 9:02 am

Fantastic interview! Thanks. Seth Godin is a poet indeed.


Jodi Kaplan Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 10:39 am

“Start.”

Perfect!

Thanks to Seth for simplicity and seeing around corners.


Allan Wallace Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 11:09 am

Our doubts are traitors

and make us lose the good we oft might win,

by fearing to attempt

Shakespeare

START!


Jose Hernandez Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 11:48 am

I think that is just one of the best advices for anyone who wants to be an entrepreneur in any field. “Start” is such a powerful word. Thanx for sharing Seth.


Brett Jackson Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 1:05 pm

Great article Carmel. Well done. Did you interview Seth in person?


Young Che Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 2:02 pm

Good job, Seth is ahead of the curve by looking at what worked in the past. 1933 The Leader informed us of what Tribes we belong to. Seth could do himself a service for even deeper insight by studying the teachings of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Sounds like he’s been studying him already. Very Smart.


Vwodek Wojczynski Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 9:58 pm

It really does seem like Seth Godin is everywhere!

And, I am curious, what is a useful definition for marketing today?

There are so many expressions of marketing but what is a definition that anyone can get.

Any ideas?


Jeff Klemin Sunday, 10.26.08 @ 12:36 am

Seth, thanks again for making us think. I love it. Another great book I look forward to hearing via Audible.com. Thanks!!


JaguarJulie Sunday, 10.26.08 @ 8:17 am

Who would have thought that first reading Permission Marketing all those years ago would have led us to today with Seth Godin? Having read many of Seth’s books, I guess you could say that I’m one of the ‘loyal’ followers who is listening, but better yet thinking more and more. Squidoo has been the first far-reaching effort of Seth’s that I’ve totally immersed myself in. Now, with Tribes, I’m finding a new ground, a new medium for reaching out and connecting with people on a more meaningful level. Thanks Seth. Oh, and what about that child? Why not start??


Torley Sunday, 10.26.08 @ 1:54 pm

@Mr. Brucas Lice: Please explain more? It’s not clear what you’re referring to. :)


Raph Monday, 10.27.08 @ 9:28 pm

Great short, sharp interview - first thing I have read on joshspear.com, will definitely be visiting again soon.


Chef Keem Wednesday, 10.29.08 @ 7:13 pm

Imagine - Seth’s autobiography including a diary of his conversations with his kid. What an interesting “manual” this could be…
Thanks for the interview, Josh.


mattio Saturday, 11.08.08 @ 12:53 pm

Does anyone know where he got those fantastic glasses?!?!? HELP!


Richie Friday, 12.26.08 @ 10:57 am

great interview
ilearned much from seth’s postings and interviews…




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